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Is it worth growing bag seed?

I’ve been holding onto two seeds I got from Attitude about two years ago, The Blue Hash didn’t sprout and the Diesel did but she got fried in the sun while I took a nap. Haven’t grown for over two years now and my skills are showing . Anyways I’m no longer interested in ordering seeds from overseas and since I don’t live in a medical state it’ll be pretty damn hard for me to get some feminized babies, and my connect for cuttings is iffy so I’d rather not take a chance. Anyways I bought all this FFOF and pots with nothing to put in them. Deciding about giving in and growing some bag seeds. What’s your opinion on Feminized to Regular seeds? Do any of you grow bag seed every time? Just don’t want to out in all this effort to get a male or worse. two .

blowincherrypie
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Considering by your own admission you have no other options, yes of course it is worth it! Unless you want to grow tomatoes or something I guess.

Thundercat
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Ya really your options seem limited, either grow or don’t grow. Bag seed can turn out real nice if you grow it right. At one point most genetics were just some seeds found in killer bags!

jimdandy
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According to folklore, Chemdog came from bagseed! We all know the story now. Yes its worth growing bagseed. It is cannabis after all! Not knowing what youre growing can have its pros and cons. Pro it could be absolute fire! Con, It could be some long flowering Sativa that stretches to hell and needs 20 weeks to flower. That’s just a few off the top of my head. I have a nice seed collections that includes, Regular, Fems, and bagseed from stuff I liked. I have one bunch that I got from a late friend that Ive already named in his honor. The weed was potent and very berry smelling. One of these days I may plant it.

Blazin Purps
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You should totally grow it out, one of my more favorite plants I grew out was from bag seed a year ago before took clones. I would give it a shot plus its your only option but at least you have 2

Jogro
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See my grow report on Mexican Schwagg, in my signature.

The quick answer is that it depends on the bag in question. But if you like what’s in the bag, chances are good that you’ll like plants grown from se-eds found in the bag.

tylerrrrr
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I have a bagseed growing right now and if all goes well I will be making her into some hash.

I have seen bagseed produce some potent bud in the right conditions.

RockyMtnMan
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grew bagseeds one time and they all hermied, but it was all the ceeds I had at the time so I finished them, and the smoke was killer.
I did end up with a few hundred more of those same ceeds, but never ran them again. lol

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Yes. I got myself about a 3 month supply of weed growing 5 bag seed plants. The bud was actually pretty tasty and awesome because I dried and cured it. Personally I will continue to use Attitude seed bank, but if I had to I would grow with bag seed. I will post pics when I get home.

rippn13
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Hell yeah it’s worth it. I always have a few bag seeds going and have come across some great stuff that way. 20+years ago that’s how a lot of us got started. Just hand picked the good ones and went with it.

I ended up with something that was really close to Sensi-Star this winter from bag seed.

Galvatron
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some elite cuts have been found by growing bag seeds. chemdawg is one and the white is another. who knows, maybe youll find the next latest and greatest cut from your bag seed. good luck.

Jogro
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The story is that chemdawg came from “bagseed”, but it sure as hell wasn’t a random bag of cheap Mexican schwagg. If you believe the story (which is questionable), it came from a bag of privately grown top-dollar stuff.

Again, not all “bagseed” is created equal. Ceeds found in bags of high-end bud are likely to be the offspring of plants that went “hermie” due to stress or borderline genetics. These plants “could” be excellent, or they could be hermie prone (or both!).

If you’re specifically talking about smuggled-in Mexican weed, there is actually a pretty wide variety of plants those can come from. Most “schwagg” contains mostly landrace Mexican sativa genetics, but a lot of the lines are hybridized now, and these can contain some Dutch/indica genetics mixed in, or even (supposedly) autoflower genetics. What in any individual bag is a crap shoot, and you don’t really know what you’re going to get until you try growing it.

Are these worth growing? I think they are. I’ve done this many times, and never finished one that I later thought was a waste of time.

I think the most important caveats here are that sativa-heavy genetics tend to stretch on flowering, and can take a long time to finish. If you are in a part of the country with early winter, and you end up with a long-flowering sativa, and you are growing OUTDOORS, the plants may not finish before frosts come.

GandalfdaGreen
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silasraven
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bag seed is most likly shit. if you want to smoke shit grow bag seed. theres a big reason seeds are so pricey. its better to save up 100 and get a ton of fems and some cloning gel. one seed for starters then clone. please save yourself some time and allot of stress. buy seeds.

Jogro
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Have you ever even tried growing any? The Mexican grow ops don’t use these genetics because they’re “shit”, they grow them out because the plants are tough as hell, heat and drought resistant, and provide decent potency even after being pressed into bricks, and shipped 3000 miles through 140 degree heat.

I’m not saying you’re going to win the Denver Cannabis cup with these genetics, but trust me, you could definitely do a lot worse with many of the lower end commercial beans out there:

theres a big reason seeds are so pricey. its better to save up 100 and get a ton of fems and some cloning gel. one seed for starters then clone. please save yourself some time and allot of stress. buy seeds.

The ONLY reason ceeds are so pricey is because they’re ILLEGAL. If they weren’t illegal, drug cannabis ceeds wouldn’t cost all that much more than hemp ceeds; ie a few dollars per POUND (not per ceed!).

And given that commercial ceeds are so pricey, there is something to be said about decent genetics you can get for FREE.

I don’t disagree that if you have the ability to get commercial ceeds, you’ll probably have better results, especially if you’re a new grower. Again, sativa plants are meant for outdoor growth; they’re stretchy and take a long time to finish. Commercial hybrid plants have been bred for indoor growth, plus if you select them wisely, you’ll not only be assured of something good, but you’ll also have a good idea what the plant will look like and its flowering time before you start.

KushKrew
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The story behind Chemdawg is that it was bred off seeds found in a bag of weed bought at a Grateful Dead concert by Chem (SkunkVA) himself. If Chemdawg hadn’t planted those, we wouldn’t have NYC Diesel, OG Kush, or any of the other ‘fuel’ smelling reefer that was ALL bred off the original Chemdawg. So a few pips from a quarter ounce of dank planted out and just look at the heritage those few pips have left. For a few seeds from a bag of weed, talk about blazing a trail.
Who knows, that bag-seed can be the best thing you ever smoke man

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KushKrew
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Oh btw, on the price of seeds. There’s a company called Seedmakers.com, their gear is on the ‘tude, 15 USD a ten-pack of fems. A mate of mine brought me some of their Critical knock-off which I grew out this summer. I think I should do a strain review on it, it was truly DANK, tasted like Big Buddha’s Cheese but with a strong White Widow influence, nugs were MASSIVE and if I say DENSE I mean it, you could probably knock somebody out with it (I mean physically). I have a suspicion it’s mostly Mr Nice genetics just re-branded. Woth a shot if you’re on a tight budget.

althor
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bag seed is most likly shit. if you want to smoke shit grow bag seed. theres a big reason seeds are so pricey. its better to save up 100 and get a ton of fems and some cloning gel. one seed for starters then clone. please save yourself some time and allot of stress. buy seeds.

Ignore this entire post by Silas.

If you BUY seeds, most of the time you will get what you pay for.
If you grow bag seeds, well you COULD end up with the next C99.

Jogro
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Ignore this entire post by Silas.

If you BUY seeds, most of the time you will get what you pay for.
If you grow bag seeds, well you COULD end up with the next C99.

The chance of you ending up with the “next” C99 from a bagseed is greatly increased if you’re starting with a bag of C99!

Again, the results of a bagseed grow are almost entirely dependent on what’s in that bag.

If your pull your ceed out of a bag of bricked Mexican schwagg you’ll get one thing. . .it will probably be good in its own right, but its not going to be C99, or Chemdawg!. If you’re starting with a ceed from a bag of sour diesel, you’ll get something else (and maybe hermie prone).

One poster reported really good results from “bagseed” found in a bag of Green Crack. The ceeds in question were probably Green Crack S1. . .the same exact ceeds that Riot ceeds charges $23/bean for and Sickmeds $8. If your bean is from a bag of high end commercial stuff, chances are good that there is *someone* out there offering a similar S1 or F1 cross for $8-20 a bean, even if you don’t know exactly what the genetics of your particular bagseed are.

On bean cost, I’d say there is a ROUGH correlation between bean quality and price, but its certainly not exact, and there are plenty of exceptions. For example, Sannies gear is relatively inexpensive, and by most reports, its as good as stuff costing 2x as much. Some of the more expensive genetics (eg Doggies Nuts, CropiCanna, Riot) are probably only really “worth” a fraction of the asking price based solely on the quality of the genetics.

Cannabis seeds 101: How to grow marijuana from seed

Cannabis is grown from one of two sources: a seed or a clone. Seeds carry genetic information from two parent plants and can express many different combinations of traits: some from the mother, some from the father, and some traits from both.

In commercial cannabis production, generally, growers will plant many seeds of one strain and choose the best plant. They will then take clones from that individual plant, which allows for consistent genetics for mass production.

If cannabis is legal in your state, you can buy seeds or clones from a local dispensary, or online through various seed banks.

Cannabis seeds vs. clones

For the typical homegrower, it may be easier to obtain cannabis seeds rather than clones. Growing from seed can produce a stronger plant with more solid genetics.

Plants grown from seed can be more hearty as young plants when compared to clones, mainly because seeds have a strong taproot. You can plant seeds directly into an outdoor garden in early spring, even in cool, wet climates.

If growing outside, some growers prefer to germinate seeds inside because they are delicate in the beginning stages of growth. Indoors, you can give weed seedlings supplemental light to help them along, and then transplant them outside when big enough.

Most seeds that you will buy are regular seeds as described above, but here are a couple more types.

How weed seeds work

Cannabis can be either male or female—also called “dioecious”—but only females produce the buds we all know and love. For reproduction, males have pollen sacs and pollinate females, causing female flowers to produce seeds.

Once cannabis seeds are mature, the female plant begins to die, and seeds are either dropped to the ground where they grow into new cannabis plants next spring, or the seeds are harvested for processing into seed oil or food products, or stored so they can be sown in the ground later and become the next generation of plants.

To get the buds found in medical and recreational stores, female cannabis plants are grown in an environment without males—or the males are removed from the area before they release pollen—so the females don’t create seeds. Females can then focus their energies on producing buds and not seeds—this high-potency marijuana is traditionally known as “sinsemilla,” meaning “seedless.”

Some varieties of cannabis can produce male parts alongside female flowers on the same plant, especially if exposed to environmental stressors. These plants are known as hermaphrodites, and sometimes they can self-pollinate to create seeds.

Pros and cons of using cannabis seeds

Check out Johanna’s full video series on how to grow weed on Leafly’s YouTube .

If buying from a reputable breeder or seed bank, growing from seed is the best way to ensure your plants will have solid genetics and start clean, meaning they won’t come with diseases or pests.

Also, buying from a reputable breeder or seed bank will give you a sense of what a particular strain will look and smell like, how it will grow, and how much it will yield at harvest.

The main drawback to growing from seed is there is no guarantee as to what you’ll end up with—if you buy a regular pack of cannabis seeds, it will be a mix of males and females. You’ll need to sex them out (more below) to identify the males and get rid of them, because you don’t want your females producing seeds.

Sexing marijuana plants can be a time-consuming process, and if you don’t catch males, there is a risk that even one males can pollinate your entire crop, causing all of your female weed plants to produce seeds.

One way to avoid sexing plants is to buy feminized seeds (more below), which ensures every seed you plant will be a bud-producing female.

You can also minimize headaches and avoid the hassle of seed germination and sexing plants by starting with clones.

How weed clones work

Aside from producing cannabis through seeds, or sexual reproduction, you can also reproduce the plant through cloning, or asexual reproduction. A clone is a cutting that is genetically identical to the plant it was taken from—that plant is known as the “mother.”

Pros and cons of using cannabis clones

Through cloning, you can create a new harvest with exact replicas of your favorite plant. Because genetics are identical, a clone will give you a plant with the same characteristics as the mother, such as flavor, cannabinoid profile, yield, grow time, etc. So if you come across a specific strain or phenotype you really like, you might want to clone it to reproduce more buds that have the same effects and characteristics.

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With cloning, you don’t have to get new seeds every time you want to grow another plant—you just take a cutting of the old plant—and you don’t have to germinate seeds or sex them out and get rid of the males.

One drawback of clones is they need to be taken during the vegetative stage of a plant—flower is too late—so if you have a small setup with only one light, it can be hard to keep clones alive while flowering other plants, because the two need different amounts of light.

Another drawback to clones is they can take on negative traits from the mother plant as well. If the mother has a disease, attracts pests, or grows weak branches, its clones will probably have the same issues.

Additionally, every long-time grower will tell you that clones degrade over time.

What are feminized cannabis seeds?

Feminized cannabis seeds will produce only female plants for getting buds, so there is no need to remove males or worry about female plants getting pollinated. Feminized seeds are produced by causing the monoecious condition in a female cannabis plant—the resulting seeds are nearly identical to the self-pollinated female parent, as only one set of genes is present.

This is sometimes referred to as “cloning by seed” and will not produce any male plants. This is achieved through several methods:

  • By spraying the plant with a solution of colloidal silver, a liquid containing tiny particles of silver
  • Through a method known as rodelization, in which a female plant pushed past maturity can pollinate another female
  • Spraying seeds with gibberellic acid, a hormone that triggers germination (this is much less common)

Most experienced or commercial growers will not use feminized seeds because they only contain one set of genes, and these should never be used for breeding purposes. However, a lot of beginning growers start with feminized seeds because they eliminate the worry of having to deal with male plants.

Top feminized cannabis strain families

A lot of classic weed strains that have been around for a while come in feminized form. Some popular fem seeds are:

  • OG Kush
  • Haze
  • Afghan
  • GSC (Cookies)
  • Skunk
  • Cheese
  • Gelato

What are autoflowering cannabis seeds?

Autoflowering seeds are also popular with beginning growers. They are easy to grow because you don’t have to worry about light cycles and how much light a plant receives.

Most cannabis plants begin flowering when the amount of light they receive on a daily basis reduces. Outdoors, this happens when the sun starts setting earlier in the day as the season turns from summer to autumn. Indoor growers can control when a plant flowers by reducing the daily amount of light plants receive from 18 hours to 12 hours.

However, a type of cannabis called Cannabis ruderalis, which developed in extreme northern conditions without much sunlight, will begin flowering once the plant reaches a certain age—they automatically start flowering regardless of the amount of light they receive, hence the name “autoflower.”

Pros and cons of growing autoflower

Because they grow and flower quicker, growers can fit in multiple autoflower cannabis harvests into the span of one regular harvest.

Autoflowers can be started in early spring and will flower during the longest days of summer, taking advantage of high quality light to get bigger yields. Or, if you get a late start in the growing season, you can start autoflowers in May or June and harvest in the fall.

Also, autoflower plants are small—perfect for closet grows or any small grow, or growing outdoors where you don’t want your neighbors to see what you’re up to.

A couple big drawbacks, though: Autoflower strains are known for being less potent. Also, because they are small in stature, they usually don’t produce big yields.

However, potency in autoflowering varieties has increased significantly since their initial introduction, with some breeders crossbreeding the low-THC ruderalis with other more potent varieties.

Tips for growing autoflower marijuana seeds

Autoflowering strains require some preparation, as they will grow quickly and start to flower whether or not you’re ready for them.

Climate considerations

Many marijuana growers start autoflowers early in the season, and at a different time than a regular crop, so keep the season and climate in mind when growing and harvesting—your plants still need warmth to grow, and rain can give them bud rot. Consider growing in a greenhouse to protect them.

Training plants

Because training happens during vegetative growth, for autoflowering plants, this period could be as short as a few weeks, which means time is limited. Try topping your autoflowers after they have three nodes, and stop once they begin to flower. You will want to prune them lightly.

Go easy on nutrients

Autoflowers don’t need lots of nutrients because they’re small and don’t spend much time in the vegetative cycle. They won’t need as much veg nutrients—such as nitrogen—but will need more bloom nutrients.

What are high-CBD cannabis seeds?

CBD, or cannabidiol, is one of the chemical components—known collectively as cannabinoids—found in the cannabis plant. Over the years, humans have selected plants for high-THC content, making cannabis with high levels of CBD rare. The genetic pathways through which THC is synthesized by the plant are different than those for CBD production.

Cannabis used for hemp production has been selected for other traits, including a low THC content, so as to comply with the 2018 Farm Bill. Consequently, many varieties of hemp produce significant quantities of CBD.

As interest in CBD as a medicine has grown, many breeders have crossed high-CBD hemp with cannabis. These strains have little or no THC, 1:1 ratios of THC and CBD, or some have a high-THC content along with significant amounts of CBD (3% or more).

Seeds for these varieties are now widely available online and through dispensaries. It should be noted, however, that any plant grown from these seeds is not guaranteed to produce high levels of CBD, as it takes many years to create a seed line that produces consistent results. A grower looking to produce cannabis with a certain THC to CBD ratio will need to grow from a tested and proven clone or seed.

How to germinate marijuana seeds

Germination is the process in which a seed sprouts and begins to grow into a new plant. Also referred to as “popping,” germination is the very first step in starting your weed grow.

Marijuana seeds can be acquired from an array of sources and can vary in quality. For more info on how to buy marijuana seeds, check out our Guide to buying cannabis seeds.

Cannabis seeds require three things to germinate: water, heat, and air. There are many methods to germinate seeds, but for the most common and simplest method, you will need:

  • Two clean plates
  • Four paper towels
  • Seeds
  • Distilled water

Step 1

Take four sheets of paper towels and soak them with distilled water. The towels should be soaked but shouldn’t have excess water running off.

Step 2

Take two of the paper towels and place them on a plate. Then, place the marijuana seeds at least an inch apart from each other and cover them with the remaining two water-soaked paper towels.

Step 3

To create a dark, protected space, take another plate and flip it over to cover the seeds, like a dome.

Step 4

Make sure the area the seeds are in is warm, somewhere between 70-85°F.

After completing these steps, it’s time to wait. Check the paper towels once a day to make sure they’re still saturated, and if they are losing moisture, apply more water to keep the seeds happy.

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Some seeds germinate very rapidly while others can take a while, but generally, seeds should germinate in 3-10 days. If it’s been two weeks and a seed hasn’t sprouted, it’s probably a dud and won’t sprout.

A seed has germinated once the seed splits and a single sprout appears. The sprout is the taproot, which will become the main stem of the plant, and seeing it is a sign of successful germination.

It’s important to keep the delicate seed sterile, so don’t touch the seed or taproot as it begins to split.

Transplanting germinated cannabis seeds

Once you see the taproot, it’s time to transfer your germinated seed into its growing medium, such as soil.

  • Fill a 4-inch or one-gallon pot with loose, airy potting soil
  • Water the soil before you put the seed in; it should be wet but not drenched
  • Poke a hole in the soil with a pen or pencil—the rule of thumb is: make the hole twice as deep as the seed is wide
  • Using a pair of tweezers, gently place the seed in the hole with the taproot facing down
  • Lightly cover it with soil

Keep a close eye on the temperature and moisture level of the soil to keep the seed happy. It’s very delicate at this stage. Use a spray bottle to water it—over-watering can suffocate and kill the delicate sprout.

Within a week or so you should see a seedling begin to grow from the soil.

Germinating cannabis seeds doesn’t always go as planned. Some seeds will be duds. Others will be slow and take longer to sprout. But some will pop quickly and grow rapidly.

This is the beauty of seeds—often, you can tell which plants or genetics will thrive right from the get-go. This will help you determine which plants you want to take cuttings from for clones or for breeding if you want to create a seed bank of your own.

How to sex a pot plant

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As we’ve mentioned, cannabis is a dioecious plant, meaning male and female reproductive organs appear on different plants.

Because only female cannabis plants produce buds and you want them to focus all their energy on producing buds and not seeds, it’s important to identify and get rid of male weed plants so they don’t pollinate females. If females are pollinated, it will give you buds filled with seeds, making your weed harsh and unpleasant.

Cultivating males is important for breeders trying to cross new strains and genetics, but most people growing for buds will want to remove the males.

As mentioned above, you can skip the processing of sexing weed plants by growing with feminized seeds or clones.

If growing male and female cannabis seeds, they’ll start to show their sex organs, or “pre-flowers,” after 8-10 weeks from germination.

Cannabis plant sex organs appear on nodes, the points where branches grow off from the main stalk.

Males will have round balls—these will develop into pollen sacs, which will release pollen into the air when mature.

Females will have a round structure with long hairs—these hairs will develop into pistils, which will catch pollen in the air.

Pre-flowers can initially be extremely small and hard to identify with the naked eye, but you can use a magnifying glass to get a better look.

Can I grow a seed I found in a bag of weed?

Finding a cannabis seed in your stash is not ideal, but we’ve all been there before. Although much less common than it once was, it still happens. Sometimes you’ll notice one when grinding down some flower, or you’ll see one pop, spark, and crackle from the heat of a lit bowl.

These are referred to as “bagseeds” and whether or not you can grow one will depend on where it came from.

Is a bagseed good or bad?

Seeds found in finished cannabis buds can develop for a number of reasons. For example, a male plant may have accidentally pollinated a flowering female during the growing process. But more commonly, they’re a sign of stress and can be attributed to high temperatures during the final stages of flowering or an exaggerated spike in climate or environment.

Seeds can also form in plants with genetic disorders or instability, like hermaphrodites—plants that develop both male and female reproductive parts. Generally, stress and genetic disorders are viewed as bad, so temper expectations with any plant you start from a bagseed.

But sometimes you get lucky and find a mature seed in some really nice herb. Strains like the legendary Chemdog wouldn’t be possible without adventurous smokers planting and proliferating the seeds they found in a bag of kind bud.

So don’t discount bud because it has a seed or two in it. While not ideal, it could be the origins of the next great weed strain.

Ask yourself a few questions to decide if it’s worth the time and energy to grow the seed.

Was the seed found in good weed?

If you don’t like the flavor, effects, or even the look of the bud, then it’s probably not worth growing.

Are you ready to grow?

Growing marijuana takes a certain level of commitment: time, energy, and financial resources, so be sure you can commit to the whole process.

Is the seed viable?

For a seed to be viable, it must be mature enough to have a completely formed genetic blueprint, and it must be strong enough to germinate and pop through its hard casing and sprout its crucial taproot.

There are a few indicators that will give you a sense of whether the seed is worth germinating.

  • Tiger stripes—dark stripes on the seed which resemble veins on a leaf are generally good
  • Solid shell—a seed should be able to withstand a little pressure when pinched between your fingers; if it crumbles or cracks, it’s no good

Immature seeds tend to be light in color and have a soft outer shell.

In some cases, even if a seed isn’t completely mature, there’s still a chance it could be viable. But often these are extremely weak, take long to develop, and express other unfavorable characteristics. Growers usually discard weak plants to free up space.

You might also find a mature seed that has been physically damaged through poor handling, like rough trimming. In those cases, it probably isn’t worth the effort to try and germinate the seed.

But if the seed you found looks decent, you might as well germinate it and see what sprouts.

Time to germinate

Viable or not, there’s only one sure way to find out if a bagseed will grow. If you’re simply curious to learn and not as concerned with the overall outcome, you can plant a couple of bagseeds outside and see what happens.

If you’re ready for a more serious approach, make sure you have the space for a proper garden and pop the seeds to see what fruit they bear.

Even if your seed sprouts fast and grows vigorously, it still has roughly a 50/50 chance of being female and producing buds, instead of turning out to be a male.

Remember, once a seed germinates, the real work begins. Sexing, selecting, vegetative growth, flowering, and the eventual harvest all lie ahead.

How to buy cannabis seeds

Cannabis seeds can be found on numerous online seed banks, but note that it is illegal to bring seeds into the US and Customs will seize any cannabis seeds that they find in packages or on a person. In legal and medical states, you may purchase seeds at a dispensary.